[Robby’s words are in non-bold
type; my response, in bold type.]
Well, well now. What are we to make of that rather aggressive
Christmas Eve greeting from Michael P.?
I
hadn’t thought of my post as aggressive.
I had thought of it—and continue to think of it--as an honest statement
of my views. Now, some readers, perhaps
many of them, will judge my views misguided and even ignorant. So be it.
But I wasn’t being—I certainly didn’t mean to be—aggressive.
I appreciate Brother Michael's
describing me as decent and admirable, but I would forfeit whatever claim
I might have to either of those qualities if I were to let his post go
unrebuked.
Yes,
Robby is both decent (as a human being, a husband, a parent, etc.) and admirable
(in his scholarly accomplishments, his unstinting work in the service of what
he believes, etc.). If I didn’t believe
that Robby is both decent and admirable, I would not have nominated him, as I
recently did—and as Robby knows I recently did—for the deanship at Villanova
Law. Robby also knows that I judge his
position that homosexual sexual activity is necessarily immoral to be not
merely misguided, but the basis of profound injustice towards gays and lesbians
in our society and elsewhere.
Liberal Catholics frequently lecture
us "Rambo Catholics" about the need for respectful discourse, the
importance of engaging "the other" with civility and openness to
competing arguments and points of view, etc., etc. Indeed, Brother
Michael himself pleads with us to have "open, truly open
minds." Yet like so many liberal Catholics Michael seems to have
trouble imagining that people could have "open, truly open" minds yet
actually dissent from liberal ideology on matters of sexual morality. . .
. How can it be that there are people
who disagree with sophisticated, open-minded, liberal people like
Michael?
“Liberal ideology”? “Liberal people”? Robby overlooks, in his rhetorical slap at
liberals, that many of those who agree with me on the issue at hand—and disagree
with Robby—are not at all liberals:
Jonathan Rauch, Dale Carpenter, Dick Cheney, etc. Government’s role in regulating the economy
is a right/left, liberal/conservative issue.
But the issue at hand is not such an issue—and should not be so characterized, however useful in may be to do so in polemical statements and
fundraising letters.
Michael's post caricatures and
ridicules those who don't share his views. Evidently he regards us
as unsophisticated schlubs whose idea of a moral argument is to exclaim
"Yuk!" In that most predictable of liberal tropes, he insinuates that
we are like racists -- "Black bonding sexually with white?
Yuk!" Gentle Michael is understanding of our schlubbiness, though,
and even offers an exculpatory diagnosis. After calling for moral
theology to take on board the "yield of modern and contemporary
experience," he says: "Think, here, human sexuality. I fully
understand that for many of us [that would be us poor unsophisticated
schlubs--RG] this is hard to do---for some of us impossibly hard: those
whose socialization and psychology have bequeathed to them a profound
aversion---I am inclined to say, an aesthetic aversion (though, of course, they
do not experience it that way)---to unfamiliar modes of human sexuality."
My
point was and is that the “Yuk”—my shorthand for an emotional disposition of
disgust—is what animates, in many, the search for and construction of a
rational vindication of the disposition.
The “Yuk”—the disgust—is not the argument but an important factor animating
the search for and construction of the argument. Now, I know that this is not true for
everyone who is in the grip of the conviction that homosexual sexual conduct is
necessarily immoral, but it is certainly true for many. See Martha Nussbaum, Sexual Orientation and Constitutional Law: From Disgust to Humanity (Oxford Univ. Press, 2010); Martha Nussbaum, Hiding from Humanity: Disgust, Shame, and the Law (Princeton Univ. Press, 2006).
In
any event: Am I not correct that moral theology should be informed by the yield of modern and contemporary
experience—and that it loses credibility if it is not so informed? Am I not correct that today, there is good
reason to reevaluate traditional attitudes toward, and judgments about, the
morality of homosexual sexual conduct?
Even good reason to think differently about the morality of homosexual sexual
conduct than our parents and grandparents did when they were young?
Don't worry, it can be explained. They
are victims of forms of "socialization" and "psychology"
that have bequeathed to them an "aversion" to "unfamiliar modes
of human sexuality."
Isn’t
it clear that in the world’s most established liberal democracies, there is
ongoing a generational shift in attitudes toward, and judgments about, the
morality of homosexual sexual conduct? What
are the principal determinants of this generational shift? Are we to believe that shifts in
socialization and psychology, due to a contemporary experience of homosexuality
that is rather different from that of our parents and grandparents, do not play
a significant role?
This is as absurd as it is
offensive, so I'm not sure whether to laugh or protest. I have never been
in doubt about the insincerity and hypocrisy of many (certainly not all) who
preach about "civil engagement," "respect for the views of
others," "openness to argument," and so forth. I
have suspected that in their heart of hearts they don't believe a word of
it. Usually, though, they at least keep up the pretence. They don't
plead for the virtue of open-mindedness, for example, while publicy manifesting
the vice that is its opposite.
Well, at least now I know what Robby thinks of me: insincere, hypocritical, keeping up the
pretence. It’s clear that Robby wouldn’t
want to nominate *me* for a deanship!
In the course of his remarks,
Michael mentions my mentors, John Finnis and Germain Grisez, together with two
liberal scholars he admires, Cathleen Kaveny and Jean Porter. Michael
claims that the liberals are the ones more faithful to the great tradition that
runs from Aristotle through Aquinas. This strikes me as preposterous, but
MoJ readers needn't rely on my judgment of the matter or Michael's.
Readers can (and I hope they will) have a look at some work by Finnis and
Grisez and some work by Kaveny and Porter and judge for themselves which
writers are superior to the others in analytical rigor, logical precision,
interpretative soundness, and depth of insight.
Preposterous? Wrong, maybe, but preposterous? That’s a unduly harsh judgment, given that,
as Robby well knows, there are very many highly regarded Catholic theologians
(and other Christian theologians) who judge Jean Porter’s important, ongoing
work on natural law to be much more insightful and persuasive than that of John
Finnis and Germain Grisez, whose natural-law defenses of traditional Catholic teaching about
such matters as contraception, masturbation, and non-marital sex, for example (“always and everywhere gravely immoral”),
they regard as unpersuasive.
Preposterous?
Thanks very much, Michael, for your
interesting questions.
Your first question: “[D]oes
the Tradition . . . support your post-metaphysical, apophatic Catholic
Christianity?” The Tradition is capacious enough to include a
non-metaphysical, apophatic theology (theo-logos, talk about God), and one who
adheres to such a theology--the later Merton, for example--is an heir to and in the company of, among
others, Meister Eckhart.
Your second question: “[I]s
there a connection between your theology (post-metaphysical, apophatic
Catholic/Christian) and your sexual ethics?” The former certainly does
not entail the latter—any more than a metaphysical, non-apophatic theology
entails the magisterium's sexual morality. A natural-law approach
to sexual morality--Robby George's, for example, or Margaret Farley’s--and indeed a natural-law
approach to any and all moral questions, is consistent both with your theology and with mine--and even with non-belief. Of course, and as we both know, those who pursue a natural-law approach to moral questions don't always agree with one another, as the deep disagreement between Robby George and Margaret Farley on the issue of contraception, for example, attests.
Happy New Year!
Michael P:
Your Christmas Eve post (to which Robby responds here), discusses "the Tradition" and sexual ethics. Two questions. First, does the Tradition (whether Porter/Kaveny or George/Finnis/Grisez are the better heirs to the Tradition) support your post-metaphysical, apophatic Catholic Christianity? In short, do you stand outside the Tradition, even as interpreted by Porter/Kaveny? Second, is there a connection between your theology (post-metaphysical, apophatic Catholic/Christian) and your sexual ethics?
I look forward to your reply.
Merry 5th Day of Christmas,
Michael S.
Well, well now. What are we to make of that rather aggressive Christmas Eve greeting from Michael P.?
I appreciate Brother Michael's describing me as decent and admirable, but I would forfeit whatever claim I might have to either of those qualities if I were to let his post go unrebuked.
Liberal Catholics frequently lecture us "Rambo Catholics" about the need for respectful discourse, the importance of engaging "the other" with civility and openness to competing arguments and points of view, etc., etc. Indeed, Brother Michael himself pleads with us to have "open, truly open minds." Yet like so many liberal Catholics Michael seems to have trouble imagining that people could have "open, truly open" minds yet actually dissent from liberal ideology on matters of sexual morality. Michael's post caricatures and ridicules those who don't share his views. Evidently he regards us as unsophisticated schlubs whose idea of a moral argument is to exclaim "Yuk!" In that most predictable of liberal tropes, he insinuates that we are like racists -- "Black bonding sexually with white? Yuk!" Gentle Michael is understanding of our schlubbiness, though, and even offers an exculpatory diagnosis. After calling for moral theology to take on board the "yield of modern and contemporary experience," he says: "Think, here, human sexuality. I fully understand that for many of us [that would be us poor unsophisticated schlubs--RG] this is hard to do---for some of us impossibly hard: those whose socialization and psychology have bequeathed to them a profound aversion---I am inclined to say, an aesthetic aversion (though, of course, they do not experience it that way)---to unfamiliar modes of human sexuality."
Well, there you have it. How can it be that there are people who disagree with sophisticated, open-minded, liberal people like Michael? Don't worry, it can be explained. They are victims of forms of "socialization" and "psychology" that have bequeathed to them an "aversion" to "unfamiliar modes of human sexuality."
This is as absurd as it is offensive, so I'm not sure whether to laugh or protest. I have never been in doubt about the insincerity and hypocrisy of many (certainly not all) who preach about "civil engagement," "respect for the views of others," "openness to argument," and so forth. I have suspected that in their heart of hearts they don't believe a word of it. Usually, though, they at least keep up the pretence. They don't plead for the virtue of open-mindedness, for example, while publicy manifesting the vice that is its opposite.
In the course of his remarks, Michael mentions my mentors, John Finnis and Germain Grisez, together with two liberal scholars he admires, Cathleen Kaveny and Jean Porter. Michael claims that the liberals are the ones more faithful to the great tradition that runs from Aristotle through Aquinas. This strikes me as preposterous, but MoJ readers needn't rely on my judgment of the matter or Michael's. Readers can (and I hope they will) have a look at some work by Finnis and Grisez and some work by Kaveny and Porter and judge for themselves which writers are superior to the others in analytical rigor, logical precision, interpretative soundness, and depth of insight.
Monday, December 28, 2009
So said Thomas Merton. So should we all.
For those who think they are progressive and are balking at the health care bill, see http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/144837/why_it%27s_essential_to_pass_the_health_care_bill%2C_then_improve_it/
For those who would privilege squeaky-clean abortion neutrality over the needs of the poor, see this excellent discussion whether the Nelson amendment is neutral, http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/blog/?p=6056