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Tuesday, December 29, 2009

Just to be sure I understand...

Communication is difficult, and I thank you, Michael P., for your patience in helping me understand.  What I hear you saying is that your theology does not inform your sexual ethics and that your sexual ethics are informed by your understanding of the natural law.  Is that correct?  If not, what did I miss. 

Your Christmas Eve post discusses (if I read that post correctly) what moral theology ought to take seriously in the realm of human sexuality.  In your most recent posts you seem to switch from theology to a philosophical position uninformed by theology.  Maybe, I am missing something, but that is the source of my confusion.

As for "ideological partisanship," my dear Michael P., you ought to know by now that my emphasis is on "transcend" rather than "liberal" or "conservative" as this has been  consistent theme of mine on this blog - where we can transcend these labels and this partisanship, we ought to do so and Cathy has framed some issues that allow quite nicely, as she her says, for us to do just that.

Reply to Michael S.

Well, Michael, I thought I *did* answer your question.  What we have here, I suppose, is a failure to communicate.  The natural-law approach to moral questions--at least, the natural-law approach associated with Catholic moralists--does not presuppose the authority of, nor does it assert, any theological propositions.  The "any theological propositions" in that statement includes whatever theological propositions I might want to assert.  One who pursues the natural-law approach aims to speak to people of every faith and of no faith.

(See the final chapter of John Finnis's Natural Law and Natural Rights (Oxford Univ. Press, 1980)--chapter 13, if memory serves--for an interesting discussion of the relationship between theology and natural law.  As I recall, Mark Murphy (Georgetown, Philosophy) published an essay on that chapter within the last couple of years--though I may be mistaken about that.)

One more thing.  You are quite wrong, Michael:  Cathy's first paragraph was entirely on point--and that is true even though you agree on the merits with Robby on issues of sexual morality.  Robby's post was indeed insulting, and in my reply, I tried *not* to return the favor.  But Cathy--whose post, I emphasize, I did *not* solicit--was accurate in what she said in her first paragraph.  Either that, or it was not insulting for Robby to call me insincere ... hypocritical ... keeping up pretence.  In any event, Michael, the unfortunately personal part of this dispute is among Robby, Cathy, and me, and I can't imagine what good purpose you think it serves for you to get involved with respect to *that* aspect of today's to-and-fro.

(And as for the "ideological partisanship" to which you referred at the end of your post:  Who introduced the word "liberal" into this discussion--as in, "Oh, those 'liberals' are at it again!"?  And introduced it quite inappropriately, given the nature of the issue at hand and the politically "conservative" identity (and self-identification) of many on my side of that issue:  Rauch, Carpenter, Cheney, etc.  With you, I'll be quite happy if we see no more ad hominem-argument-by-label!)

Response to Michael P. and Cathy Kaveny

Michael, thank you for answering the first of my two questions.  As for the second, I don't think you answered it.  My question remains:   “[I]s there a connection between your theology (post-metaphysical, apophatic Catholic/Christian) and your sexual ethics?”  I know that that the two positions are not necessarily connected.  What I am interested in is whether your theology informs your sexual ethics.  And, if so, how?

Michael's mention of Margaret Farley reminds me that Michael P., Amy Uelmen, and I promised to engage in a blog dialogue on Farley's book "Just Love," and we have yet to deliver.  I'll get with the two of them and pick a new week for this discussion.

Although her first paragraph detracts from the conversation, Cathy's four points (A-D) seem to me to be a good starting point for those more knowledgable than I to discuss  the "new" natural law in a way that transcends the liberal/conservative ideological divide.  I know that I for one would benefit greatly from such a discussion.  And, the less ideological partisanship, the more I'll learn.

Cathy Kaveny responds to Robby's "rebuke"

[This is what Cathy has to say:]

I can’t help but note the irony of Robby’s call for intellectual rigor and clarity at the end of a post that throws labels, accusations, and insults around as if they are cashmere sweaters on the final sale table at Saks.  But perhaps everyone is a bit crabby after Christmas.

But if you get past the petty insults, there is a serious question about current method in Christian ethics.  Since Michael apparently conscripted me into this discussion, and since Jean Porter apparently has the good sense not to read blogs over the Christmas holidays, let me offer a couple of remarks on the state of the field.

To put it bluntly: Germain Grisez’s work is not regularly read or studied, as far as I am aware, in any major doctoral program in moral theology or Christian ethics in the country–although it is read in seminaries.  Nor is it read, as far as I am aware, in any major doctoral program in philosophy in the country–including well-ranked programs in philosophy at Catholic university’s such as Notre Dame’s.  This, in my view, is a shame–I think that his analysis of intention, deeply indebted to Anscombe, is very insightful.  I also think some of the casuistry is very helpful.  It is always worthwhile on particular questions, thinking up against Germain Grisez–as my mentor, Paul Ramsey said. I have learned a great deal from Grisez, and written on him, even when I don’t ultimately agree with him.

But despite his  intelligence and dedication to the church, Grisez’s method is not widely seen as the way forward.  The general theme: if you accept the rules of his framework, and agree to play it, Grisez is very good. But most moral theologians–liberal and conservative--reject the entire framework as essentially responding to the controversies of the 1960s–not as a way forward.

Why?

A. Problems in basic philosophical method.  Many philosophers, including conservative Catholic philosophers, dispute the basic framework of Grisez’s account of the natural law, on two grounds.  First, they reject their acceptance of Hume’s sharp distinction between fact and value, which post-analytic philosophy has largely eroded. Second, many theologians and philosophers have called into question the idea that moral life should be defined in terms of a number of  “self-evident” basic goods, which are not permissible ever to intentionally attack.  The goods seem to be defined arbitrarily--at one point, “play” was taken out and “marriage” put in.  Further, the “goods” do not seem to be at all the same type of thing (marriage is a social institution, life is a physical state).  Finally, what counts as acting against a good seems to be defined arbitrarily.  Why does contraception act against the good of marriage but smoking a cigarette not act against the good of life?

Many people, including myself, think Grisez’s theory and proportionalism need to be understood together as ad hoc responses to the contraception brouhaha in the late 1960s.  Wider application of either theory isn’t seen as desirable or even feasible.  It’s time to move on from both.

B. Problems with natural law theory.  Grisez assumes an ahistorical account of human reason, which many natural lawyers question.  Moreover, he defends an understanding of natural law that is not as open to insights from the natural and social scientists as many natural lawyers believe ought to be the case.  The cutting edge work in natural law is attempting to incorporate the insights from neuroscience, evolutionary biology, and social psychology into the conception of human nature. Grisez’s project tends to isolate his normative framework from any serious challenge from empirical or social data.  To what degree does evidence about the marriage and mating habits of human persons around the world enter into our conception of human nature and natural morality?  One fault line between say, Margaret Farley and Grisez would be the way in which they consider it legitimate to make use of empirical data in formulating a conception of human nature and the natural in regard to sexual ethics.  Other challenges to Grisez within this framework include whether or not his deductive approach to the norms of natural law is appropriate, or whether a more inductive approach is more adequate (Cahn/Maritain)

B. Fit with the Catholic tradition. The “new” natural law thinkers break significantly with the tradition, in large part over the separation of facts and values.  This break is seen as a significant distortion of the tradition –and a great loss- not only by progressives but by (very different) conservative Catholic philosophers such as Alsadiair MacIntyre and Russell Hitginger.  MacIntyre’s later work (Dependent Rational Animals) trying to show the place of nature and a natural biology in any real Aristotelian account of natural law is extremely important.  Hittinger shows how far the natural law theory of Grisez/Finnis is from a more traditional Thomistic account. The criticism, in essence, is that Grisez is more Kantian than Aristotelian Thomist.  But there is no need to go to Kant if you don’t find Hume’s account compelling.

C. Move toward virtue theory. In philosophy and in theology, there has been a great move toward virtue theory, which places moral rules in a context of a) an account of human nature; and b) an account of human flourishing including social practices. This move transcends liberal and conservative distinctions.  No one calls Alasdair MacIntyre a liberal Catholic in philosophical circles, or Stanley Hauerwas a liberal Christian ethicist.  In specifically Catholic circles, I would suggest you read Romanus Cessario, OP–no one ever called Father Cessario a liberal.  Cessario’s work on virtue, however, is frequently read  and taught by both liberal and conservative virtue Catholic virtue theorists. Grisez’s and Finnis’s dismissal of the importance of virtue theory in general, or as the framework within which to interpret Aquinas, is seen as deeply unsound–and untrue to the texts–as any cursory review of the Summa Theologica will show.  To dismiss the importance of virtue in interpreting Thomas is about on a par with dismissing utility in interpreting Bentham.;

D.  Problems with Method in Theological Ethics.  Grisez is also not seen as helpful by many Catholic moralists because of several other reasons. He tends to treat scripture narrowly as a source of true propositions or commands–ignoring the developments that have been made by Catholic scriptural scholars in examining the way genre and context affect scriptural interpretation.  Many younger, conservative Catholic scholars want to integrate fuller uses of scripture into their ethical method. More generally, Grisez tends to treat theology as a matter of true propositions–ignoring the resourcement of less linear and deductive ways of doing theology from the Patristic period thanks to people like Congar and de Lubac, as well as the recent discussions about the relationship of context to dogma (in different ways, Sullivan and Dulles and Lindbeck). His understanding of sin, like Robby’s, tends to locate it in the emotions, and to leave human reason untouched.  That is seen by many theologians to be too rationalist, and to fail to account for the depths of the fall.  Conversely, his understanding of grace treats it as providing no epistemological help, but merely help to a weak will.  It doesn’t resonate with the best studies on grace, either historically or methodologically.

A quick response to Robby's "rebuke"

[Robby’s words are in non-bold type; my response, in bold type.]

Well, well now.  What are we to make of that rather aggressive Christmas Eve greeting from Michael P.?

I hadn’t thought of my post as aggressive.  I had thought of it—and continue to think of it--as an honest statement of my views.  Now, some readers, perhaps many of them, will judge my views misguided and even ignorant.  So be it.  But I wasn’t being—I certainly didn’t mean to be—aggressive.

I appreciate Brother Michael's describing me as decent and admirable, but I would forfeit whatever claim I might have to either of those qualities if I were to let his post go unrebuked.

Yes, Robby is both decent (as a human being, a husband, a parent, etc.) and admirable (in his scholarly accomplishments, his unstinting work in the service of what he believes, etc.).  If I didn’t believe that Robby is both decent and admirable, I would not have nominated him, as I recently did—and as Robby knows I recently did—for the deanship at Villanova Law.  Robby also knows that I judge his position that homosexual sexual activity is necessarily immoral to be not merely misguided, but the basis of profound injustice towards gays and lesbians in our society and elsewhere.

Liberal Catholics frequently lecture us "Rambo Catholics" about the need for respectful discourse, the importance of engaging "the other" with civility and openness to competing arguments and points of view, etc., etc.  Indeed, Brother Michael himself pleads with us to have "open, truly open minds."  Yet like so many liberal Catholics Michael seems to have trouble imagining that people could have "open, truly open" minds yet actually dissent from liberal ideology on matters of sexual morality. . . .  How can it be that there are people who disagree with sophisticated, open-minded, liberal people like Michael?

“Liberal ideology”?  “Liberal people”?  Robby overlooks, in his rhetorical slap at liberals, that many of those who agree with me on the issue at hand—and disagree with Robby—are not at all liberals:  Jonathan Rauch, Dale Carpenter, Dick Cheney, etc.  Government’s role in regulating the economy is a right/left, liberal/conservative issue.  But the issue at hand is not such an issue—and should not be so characterized, however useful in may be to do so in polemical statements and fundraising letters.

Michael's post caricatures and ridicules those who don't share his views.  Evidently he regards us as unsophisticated schlubs whose idea of a moral argument is to exclaim "Yuk!" In that most predictable of liberal tropes, he insinuates that we are like racists -- "Black bonding sexually with white?  Yuk!"  Gentle Michael is understanding of our schlubbiness, though, and even offers an exculpatory diagnosis. After calling for moral theology to take on board the "yield of modern and contemporary experience," he says:  "Think, here, human sexuality. I fully understand that for many of us [that would be us poor unsophisticated schlubs--RG] this is hard to do---for some of us impossibly hard:  those whose socialization and psychology have bequeathed to them a profound aversion---I am inclined to say, an aesthetic aversion (though, of course, they do not experience it that way)---to unfamiliar modes of human sexuality."

My point was and is that the “Yuk”—my shorthand for an emotional disposition of disgust—is what animates, in many, the search for and construction of a rational vindication of the disposition.  The “Yuk”—the disgust—is not the argument but an important factor animating the search for and construction of the argument.  Now, I know that this is not true for everyone who is in the grip of the conviction that homosexual sexual conduct is necessarily immoral, but it is certainly true for many.  See Martha Nussbaum, Sexual Orientation and Constitutional Law:  From Disgust to Humanity (Oxford Univ. Press, 2010); Martha Nussbaum, Hiding from Humanity:  Disgust, Shame, and the Law (Princeton Univ. Press, 2006).

In any event:  Am I not correct that moral theology should be informed by the yield of modern and contemporary experience—and that it loses credibility if it is not so informed?  Am I not correct that today, there is good reason to reevaluate traditional attitudes toward, and judgments about, the morality of homosexual sexual conduct?  Even good reason to think differently about the morality of homosexual sexual conduct than our parents and grandparents did when they were young?

Don't worry, it can be explained.  They are victims of forms of "socialization" and "psychology" that have bequeathed to them an "aversion" to "unfamiliar modes of human sexuality."

Isn’t it clear that in the world’s most established liberal democracies, there is ongoing a generational shift in attitudes toward, and judgments about, the morality of homosexual sexual conduct?  What are the principal determinants of this generational shift?  Are we to believe that shifts in socialization and psychology, due to a contemporary experience of homosexuality that is rather different from that of our parents and grandparents, do not play a significant role?

This is as absurd as it is offensive, so I'm not sure whether to laugh or protest.  I have never been in doubt about the insincerity and hypocrisy of many (certainly not all) who preach about "civil engagement," "respect for the views of others," "openness to argument," and so forth.  I have suspected that in their heart of hearts they don't believe a word of it.  Usually, though, they at least keep up the pretence.  They don't plead for the virtue of open-mindedness, for example, while publicy manifesting the vice that is its opposite.

Well, at least now I know what Robby thinks of me:  insincere, hypocritical, keeping up the pretence.  It’s clear that Robby wouldn’t want to nominate *me* for a deanship!

In the course of his remarks, Michael mentions my mentors, John Finnis and Germain Grisez, together with two liberal scholars he admires, Cathleen Kaveny and Jean Porter.  Michael claims that the liberals are the ones more faithful to the great tradition that runs from Aristotle through Aquinas.  This strikes me as preposterous, but MoJ readers needn't rely on my judgment of the matter or Michael's.  Readers can (and I hope they will) have a look at some work by Finnis and Grisez and some work by Kaveny and Porter and judge for themselves which writers are superior to the others in analytical rigor, logical precision, interpretative soundness, and depth of insight.

Preposterous?  Wrong, maybe, but preposterous?  That’s a unduly harsh judgment, given that, as Robby well knows, there are very many highly regarded Catholic theologians (and other Christian theologians) who judge Jean Porter’s important, ongoing work on natural law to be much more insightful and persuasive than that of John Finnis and Germain Grisez, whose natural-law defenses of traditional Catholic teaching about such matters as contraception, masturbation, and non-marital sex, for example (“always and everywhere gravely immoral”), they regard as unpersuasive.  Preposterous?

A response to Michael S.'s two questions

Thanks very much, Michael, for your interesting questions.

Your first question:  “[D]oes the Tradition . . . support your post-metaphysical, apophatic Catholic Christianity?”  The Tradition is capacious enough to include a non-metaphysical, apophatic theology (theo-logos, talk about God), and one who adheres to such a theology--the later Merton, for example--is an heir to and in the company of, among others, Meister Eckhart.

Your second question:  “[I]s there a connection between your theology (post-metaphysical, apophatic Catholic/Christian) and your sexual ethics?”  The former certainly does not entail the latter—any more than a metaphysical, non-apophatic theology entails the magisterium's sexual morality.  A natural-law approach to sexual morality--Robby George's, for example, or Margaret Farley’s--and indeed a natural-law approach to any and all moral questions, is consistent both with your theology and with mine--and even with non-belief.  Of course, and as we both know, those who pursue a natural-law approach to moral questions don't always agree with one another, as the deep disagreement between Robby George and Margaret Farley on the issue of contraception, for example, attests.

Happy New Year!

Two questions for Michael P.

Michael P:

Your Christmas Eve post (to which Robby responds here), discusses "the Tradition" and sexual ethics.  Two questions.  First, does the Tradition (whether Porter/Kaveny or George/Finnis/Grisez are the better heirs to the Tradition) support your post-metaphysical, apophatic Catholic Christianity?  In short, do you stand outside the Tradition, even as interpreted by Porter/Kaveny?  Second, is there a connection between your theology (post-metaphysical, apophatic Catholic/Christian) and your sexual ethics?

I look forward to your reply.

Merry 5th Day of Christmas,

Michael S.

Yuk? Oy vey.

Well, well now.  What are we to make of that rather aggressive Christmas Eve greeting from Michael P.?

I appreciate Brother Michael's describing me as decent and admirable, but I would forfeit whatever claim I might have to either of those qualities if I were to let his post go unrebuked.

Liberal Catholics frequently lecture us "Rambo Catholics" about the need for respectful discourse, the importance of engaging "the other" with civility and openness to competing arguments and points of view, etc., etc.  Indeed, Brother Michael himself pleads with us to have "open, truly open minds."  Yet like so many liberal Catholics Michael seems to have trouble imagining that people could have "open, truly open" minds yet actually dissent from liberal ideology on matters of sexual morality.  Michael's post caricatures and ridicules those who don't share his views.  Evidently he regards us as unsophisticated schlubs whose idea of a moral argument is to exclaim "Yuk!"  In that most predictable of liberal tropes, he insinuates that we are like racists -- "Black bonding sexually with white?  Yuk!"  Gentle Michael is understanding of our schlubbiness, though, and even offers an exculpatory diagnosis. After calling for moral theology to take on board the "yield of modern and contemporary experience," he says:  "Think, here, human sexuality. I fully understand that for many of us [that would be us poor unsophisticated schlubs--RG] this is hard to do---for some of us impossibly hard:  those whose socialization and psychology have bequeathed to them a profound aversion---I am inclined to say, an aesthetic aversion (though, of course, they do not experience it that way)---to unfamiliar modes of human sexuality."

Well, there you have it. How can it be that there are people who disagree with sophisticated, open-minded, liberal people like Michael?  Don't worry, it can be explained.  They are victims of forms of "socialization" and "psychology" that have bequeathed to them an "aversion" to "unfamiliar modes of human sexuality."

This is as absurd as it is offensive, so I'm not sure whether to laugh or protest.  I have never been in doubt about the insincerity and hypocrisy of many (certainly not all) who preach about "civil engagement," "respect for the views of others," "openness to argument," and so forth.  I have suspected that in their heart of hearts they don't believe a word of it.  Usually, though, they at least keep up the pretence.  They don't plead for the virtue of open-mindedness, for example, while publicy manifesting the vice that is its opposite.

In the course of his remarks, Michael mentions my mentors, John Finnis and Germain Grisez, together with two liberal scholars he admires, Cathleen Kaveny and Jean Porter.  Michael claims that the liberals are the ones more faithful to the great tradition that runs from Aristotle through Aquinas.  This strikes me as preposterous, but MoJ readers needn't rely on my judgment of the matter or Michael's.  Readers can (and I hope they will) have a look at some work by Finnis and Grisez and some work by Kaveny and Porter and judge for themselves which writers are superior to the others in analytical rigor, logical precision, interpretative soundness, and depth of insight.

Monday, December 28, 2009

"Yet ruined as my house is, you live there!"

So said Thomas Merton.  So should we all.

Health Care and Helping the Poor

For those who think they are progressive and are balking at the health care bill, see http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/144837/why_it%27s_essential_to_pass_the_health_care_bill%2C_then_improve_it/
For those who would privilege squeaky-clean abortion neutrality over the needs of the poor, see this excellent discussion whether the Nelson amendment is neutral, http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/blog/?p=6056