Mirror of Justice

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Tuesday, January 20, 2009

Civility, “Progressives,” “Conservatives,” and MOJ: Part I

Along with Fr. Araujo (here), I’d like to thank John Breen (here) and Steve Shriffrin (here and here) for exposing wounds that have been festering below the surface for a long time.  As the Fifth Anniversary of MOJ approaches, it seems to me that this projects long term viability and flourishing – at least in the manner it has been conceived – depends on healing these wounds. 

Like John, I have long been frustrated by an MOJ author who often posts the work of others with no commentary or personal engagement with the material.  I too am left wondering what inferences to draw from the material and why it was posted.  Was the post merely informational or was the MOJ author attempting to communicate something by the post?  Steve S. seems to take the later view:  [I]n my view most of the contributors to this site take a different view from the positions implicated by [X's] posts.”  What are the views implicated in X’s posts?  Why are they important to our project?  IMHO, genuine dialogue on these matters would greatly enhance our undertaking. 

Unlike Steve, I don’t see an uncivil personal attack in the criticism of X’s “posting practices.”  It seems to me such comments fall squarely within the legitimate realm of professional criticism – the type of criticism one might make in responding to an article, reviewing an article or book for a peer reviewed journal or press, or reviewing someone’s scholarship for tenure purposes.  In this forum, such constructive criticism takes places much more quickly and publicly, but that is the nature of the blog enterprise.  One downside to the blogging world is that one may post in haste and when frustrated.  Errors in tone and civility are bound to happen in such instances, but I encourage us to trust each other and engage in dialogue both publicly and privately.  Rather than making Rick and Mark play policemen, I propose that the one who feels hurt by a post email or call the author and that the two of them work it out.  After discussion, the author might revise the post, apologize publicly, apologize privately, or decide to leave things as they were.  In the past when someone has been offended by something in my post, I have heard about it through a third person and not directly, and, therefore, I could only guess as to what was bothering the offended, why, and what response would be appropriate.  Direct communication and the assumption that we are all acting in good faith will go a long way I suspect.

Come Holy Spirit and heal these wounds!

Voices and Mission

 

 

I would like to thank Steve Shiffrin for his challenging remarks in his post entitled “More Progressives and the Mission of this Site.” I am pleased with Steve’s kind words about the talented individuals who offer posts on the Mirror of Justice. Excluding myself, I share his sentiment. I am not sure that the issue he identifies, i.e., “the posts on this site predominantly come from conservatives,” is accurate and thus warrants the solution he proposes, i.e., to add more “progressives” in order to “better achieve [MOJ’s] mission…”

 

Surely if any individual contributor thinks that his or her perspective on Catholic legal theory is inadequately treated, that person has the ability to remedy the situation quickly by posting more contributions. I do not agree with Steve’s point that “urging those progressives on the site to do more or post differently will help only at the margin.” As I reflect on what Steve says, I cannot fathom what advantage the “conservative” has over the “progressive.” Moreover, I do not understand his criteria for determining what makes a contributor a “conservative” and what makes one a “progressive.”

 

When it comes to the notion that there are different perspectives on the issues, who addresses them, and how they are addressed, I would concur that there is diversity of opinion. But I would be averse to say that the differences that emerge in our discussions are reducible to the dichotomy of “conservative” versus “progressive.”

 

It is clear that each contributor has many other responsibilities in his or her life. We are all teachers and have different obligations as educators. Some have families and the attendant responsibilities require much attention. Some have pastoral duties that necessitate a substantial amount of time in a personal schedule, particularly on weekends. Some have to care for ailing relatives, the responsibilities of which are not regulated by a convenient schedule. Some have a demanding travel schedules dictated by public speaking engagements. Some have administrative responsibilities that necessitate enormous accountability. But these distinctions do not, in my opinion, give any person more free time or any advantage to contribute to the Mirror of Justice than anyone else. In this regard, I believe that the playing or contributing field is about as level as it could be.

 

I respect Steve’s request to place any discussion of individual opinions about how we identify one another in another forum. However, his call for arguments “to the contrary” regarding his perspective that “conservative” voices predominate over “progressive” voices thereby mandating an increase in “progressive” voices being added to the list of contributors appears to be within his call for public discussion. I have offered my preliminary thoughts on Steve’s challenging remarks and look forward to hearing what others may have to say.

 

RJA sj

Civility and this Site

I believe that moderators on this site should be empowered to remove posts from the site if the author of a post that contains uncivil remarks is unwilling to edit it to make it civil or to remove it. I do not think that personal criticism of the general pattern of a member’s posting practices is civil (though communicating it in a private way would be perfectly appropriate). I do not think posts should accuse another of lacking candor.
Although I might not always agree with the decisions that would be made by Rick and Mark, I am confident that they would endeavor to be fair. My proposal is confined to direct personal attacks. There have been numerous posts on this site that heap sarcasm on positions that are known to be held by other members of the site. I think this is disrespectful, but I do not think they count as personal attacks. There are also posts suggesting that people who do not agree with the poster are not really Catholics. Harmful as they are, I think these remarks belong on the site because they represent views worthy of debate. I would have a different view if specific individuals on the site were named (which so far as I am aware has not happened).
As a general matter, I think authors should (and usually do) write with the understanding that others might not share their views. Posts written with that understanding communicate respect and foster dialogue. Again my proposal is confined to personal attacks. My strong conviction is that the differences on this site are too raw to have anything other than a zero tolerance policy regarding personal attacks.

Monday, January 19, 2009

More Progressives and the Mission of this Site

In my view there is a rich diversity of smart and articulate conservatives on this site and that is one of its strengths. I think the site is also stocked with some outstanding progressives, but the posts on the site predominately come from conservatives. I think the site would better achieve its mission if more progressives were added. I think urging those progressives on the site to do more or post differently will help only at the margin (though they, including me, might be encouraged to post more if the site could sustain discussions of what Catholic progressives should think about various issues). Those on the site have other responsibilities, and, of course, post at different rates in different seasons. Below is the quantity of posts from members of the blog in the period from October through December. I think it supports my point, but I would be interested in arguments to the contrary particularly off line. I say off line because I am anxious to avoid public discussions of who is conservative or liberal and who is not.
Garnett 69
Scaperlanda 54
Perry 49
Vischer 25
Sisk 19
Araujo 17
Schiltz 17
Stabile 13
Stith 13
Uelmen 12
Penalver 11
Shiffrin 9
Breen 8
Berg 6
Brennan 4
Myers 1
Powell 1
Sargent 1

The Authority Duet

 

 

 

Over the past several days a number of contributors have exchanged views on several issues involving Plan B and abortion and the views of those who identify themselves as Catholics. First of all I am grateful for these discussions and debates. Second, they have prompted some further thinking on my part regarding what distinguishes the authority of the state from the authority of the Church. Our web log dedicated to the development of Catholic Legal Theory has been no stranger to the topic of authority.

 

To begin, I think that the contrast and comparison of these two authorities requires book or treatise treatment rather than a brief posting of, at most, a few pages. One need only consider the work of those like Heinrich Rommen and his The State in Catholic Thought or Christopher Dawson to catch the implication of my point.

 

Nevertheless, even the briefest of treatments can provide catalysts for thought and discussion. The previous postings to which I refer pose some circumstance in which the individual or individuals are countered by the state or the Church. The individual has a measure of freedom and autonomy, both of which have been exaggerated, at least conceptually, by the famous “mystery of life” dicta of Casey. Nonetheless, the individual person surely enjoys a healthy and authentic measure of freedom and autonomy that are proper to the person vis-à-vis the state or the Church. However, the individual’s freedom and autonomy can be countered and challenged by the authority of either the state or the Church in particular circumstances.

 

It is essential, however, to consider how the state and the Church exercise their respective authority. For one thing, the state (regardless of whether it is right or wrong) has the ability to deny a person his or her freedom and autonomy in ways that can lead to imprisonment, economic ruin, denial of a livelihood, or even death. By contrast the Church has only the ability to remove a person—if he or she has not already done this—from the Body of Christ. Indeed, this may mean that a person may be removed from an academic post in a Catholic institution or from membership in a religious community; however, the individual may find gainful employment at another educational institution or become like most people and live somewhere other than a religious community.

 

In either case, what considerations does either the state or the Church take into account when exercising its respective authority? Yves Simon, in his assessment of “the bad name of authority” offered four factors for investigation: justice; life; truth; and order. In varying ways, the state’s and the Church’s actions intersect each of these considerations but in very different ways: the state’s authority is concentrated on the physical and has little or nothing to do with the metaphysical or interior spiritual component of the person; by contrast, the Church’s authority has very limited control over physical dimensions of a person’s life but proposes to those who claim membership what is proper and what is not in spiritual, moral, and metaphysical concerns. Ultimately, the person concludes whether he or she is subject to the Church’s authority and submits freely to it or not, but such is not the case with his or her exposure to the state’s authority. As one considers the elements of justice, life, truth, and order, the distinctions should become all the more clear.

 

RJA sj

 

An Apology and a Renewed Invitation

Upon reflection, I believe that the last line of my post which said that I'd look forward to Michael Perry's posts “if he actually had something to say” went too far, which I regret.  It could be construed as snide, and for this I apologize.  The point of both of my posts was to try to encourage a meaningful exchange with Michael.  I think it would be fair to say that my posts reflect a sincere sense of frustration that many participants on MOJ have felt in response to Michael’s seeming unwillingness to state clearly the points he is trying to make and the reasons he believes stand behind these positions.  In saying this, I do not in any way mean to insult him.  On the contrary, I believe that Michael Perry is a highly intelligent contributor to legal theory in the academy, someone whose work I have read and benefited from.  He has had a lot to say in print!  And that's why I'd like to hear what he has to say on MOJ.  Indeed, this is the opposite of an insult, since I regard the invitation to actually join the conversation as a compliment.  I would look forward to being challenged by and to learning from Michael’s views if they were laid out explicitly.  I am certain that Michael values genuine dialogue, and I am also certain that his being an active conversation partner on MOJ would make a meaningful contribution to the dialogue that already takes place on our blog.

Martin Luther King, Jr.

Today we celebrate MLK Day, in recognition of the efforts of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. to end racial segregation and other forms of racial discrimination through nonviolent means.  On the day of his actual birthday, I posted on my blog an excerpt from King's 1956 imaginary letter from St. Paul to American Christians, in which St. Paul urges us to keep our "moral advances abreast" with our scientific advances.  It is a letter worth reading as we all struggle with living in the world without being conformed to the world.

(I also posted today an excerpt from another King sermon, titled Garden of Gethsemene.) 

Sunday, January 18, 2009

Happy Sanctity of Life Day!

Back from Rome / MOJ anniversary

I spent this past week in Rome.  The occasion was a wonderful conference, hosted by Ambassador Mary Ann Glendon, commemorating the 60th Anniversary of the Universal Declaration, and also the 25th anniversary of formal diplomatic relations between the United States and the Holy See, on "the American model of religious freedom."  My task, in a nutshell, was to describe that model, and I punted, contending that the American "model" is really an ongoing dialogue / debate among three models: "freedom of religion", "freedom from religion", and "freedom for religion."

I was so impressed with the Ambassador.  It was clear to me that both our country and the Church have been extremely well served by her.

While we are talking about anniversaries, remember again that MOJ's 5th is coming up.  I hope all my fellow MOJ-ers will take a few minutes to reflect on the project as a whole.  I think it is worth remembering, among other things, that -- even if we get a bit frustrated or testy from time to time -- we have been pulling off something pretty impressive, and worthy, these past years.  We are a diverse group of very able people with strong views about lots of things that matter.  We  have almost always -- and we always should -- observed norms of charity and civility, and also substantive engagement and dialogue.  This blog is not an echo chamber.  Sometimes, echo chambers are more comfortable and safe than actual conversations, but they are not nearly so valuable or rewarding.

Anyway . . . at the risk of falling into delusions of grandeur . . . "ad multos annos" to MOJ.  Let's take the 5th anniversary as an occasion to re-invigorate, and perhaps re-boot, some of our conversations, and try to move the "Catholic Legal Theory" ball.  If not us, then who?  etc.

And, if you are in Trastevere, check out Da Lucia, a wonderful, family-run trattoria in an obscure street.  Wonderful. 

Saturday, January 17, 2009

Mere Information vs. Genuine Dialogue

Steve Shiffrin takes issue with my post seeking to elicit an opinion from Michael Perry with respect to the results of a recent survey that Michael posted on MOJ.  To be sure, I see the value in posts that are simply informational, but I hope that Steve would admit that the idea behind Mirror of Justice is that it be more than a news site.

Yes, as Steve says, informational posts are “indispensable to informed dialogue on this site.”  But that is to say that they are an aid to such dialogue, not a substitute for it.  Indeed, Steve makes this very point in the concluding sentences of his post, though, I suspect, without meaning to do so.  Steve says that Michael’s informational posts are “absolutely invaluable” in part because from Steve’s point of view “most of the contributors to this site take a different view from the positions implicated by Michael’s posts.”

But what are the “positions implicated” by Michael’s post?  I frankly don’t know what they are because there are so many.  The poll Michael cites suggests multiple implications, some of them quite antithetical (a point I tried to make explicit in my post).  Moreover, because Michael doesn’t indicate why he thinks the survey is germane to the project that MOJ seeks to foster, we can only guess at what he had in mind.

I’m all for dialogue, but at an absolute minimum, dialogue calls for a basic level of candor and forthrightness – qualities that are surely lacking when one only posts the contents of a survey, leaving members of the blog and other readers to simply speculate as to one’s meaning.

Like Steve, I think that Michael’s posts are valuable, and I look forward to reading them, but I’d look forward to them even more if he actually had something to say.